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Some highlights of what I posted to the Otherkin News Twitter (@otherkinnews) during the last few months.

About otherkin

Vice magazine ran an article about otherkin.

Journal of Language Works published an article on nounself pronouns. Cites the Nonbinary.org wiki and mentions otherkin.

Published in March, the book Youth Cultures in America briefly mentions otherkin.

A review of Danielle Kirby's book Fantasy and Belief, which writes about otherkin.

Due to the anti-transgender bathroom bills in the US during these months, newspapers ran anti-transgender opinion articles. As usual, some tried to undermine transgender people by comparing them to "trans-species." Some writers knew about otherkin, others didn’t. Cissexist hate speech isn’t worth featuring here.


Cyborg artist Neil Harbisson said at a transhumanist event, "I consider myself a transspecies because I’m adding senses and organs that other species have."

Art and glamourbombs

You know the intro scene in FernGully, with the cave wall covered in handprints from humans and tiny fairies? It's based on some actual cave art, which does feature handprints just like that. The tinier prints weren't human hands. Not fairies, either, though.

The Merrylin Cryptid Museum featured preserved remains of dragons, fairies, and other beings, all created by artist Alex CF. Since it's a hoax-like exhibit, Snopes explained it.

Snopes also had to address a viral photo of baby dragons being reintroduced to Wales, which originated as a Photoshop contest winner.

2015 Digest

Jan. 3rd, 2016 11:56 am
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Briefly, some news of interest to otherkin from 2015 that I haven't previously reported on this blog. In chronological order:

Read more... )

I have an idea for how I could run this blog in a way that I hope would be efficient enough to be manageable. I could post to our Twitter about news articles as soon as I find them. Then, at the end of each month, I could post a digest to here and to our Tumblr. It would just be a collection of headlines, links, and brief summaries, rather than whole articles of original writing with complete citations. What do you think?

As always, there's a lot of news out there and I can't do this alone, so anyone who can help out by posting news links in this blog as they find them would be very much appreciated.
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As I mentioned in a previous post, I've recently become aware of a spate of academic articles about otherkin.  I managed to get my hands on the first of them, "Othering among Otherkin: The discursive negotiation of the face-threat of exclusionary othering in a demarginalizing internet community" by Melanie Getzler.  I've skimmed it and it looks really great, but unfotunately I haven't had time yet to sit down and read it in depth.  It's much longer than other articles on the subject, as it is a Master's thesis - 82 pages.  One thing I will note is that it does not suffer from the same weakness that so many academic articles on otherkin and therians have in the past - that of being based on self-selected survey responses or interviews with a fairly small sampling of the community.  Ms. Getzler employed a different methodology to try to get a truly representative sampling and while I'd still like to see a broader study done I must say hers is the best attempt to date of which I am currently aware.

For those interested, I've saved a copy of the thesis here.

Apparently Ms. Getzler also wrote an undergraduate thesis on our community entitled "Here There Be Dragons: The Effect of Online Communities of 'Otherkin' on Philosophical Construction of Self-Identity".  I'm still looking for a copy of that, it is not available from ProQuest.

Another recent academic work is "Some People Aren’t People on the Inside: Online Connectivity and Otherkin Subjectivities" by Margaret Shane.  I don't have a copy of that one yet either, but I do know where it can be purchased.  I'm just leery of spending $30 on a 15 page paper.

Last but not least there's another article by Venetia Robertson focusing on the therian community: "The Beast Within: Anthrozoomorphic Identity and Alternative Spirituality in the Online Therianthropy Movement".  This paper may be downloaded for free from academia.edu, and I have backed it up here.

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In 2012, Venetia Laura Delano Robertson of the University of Sydney, Department of Studies in Religion wrote a paper for Pomegranate: The International Journal of Pagan Studies entitled "The Law of the Jungle: Self and Community in the Online Therianthropy Movement".  I've seen brief mentions of this article in a few places, but I've only recently gotten hold of a copy myself.  For those interested, a copy is now available here.  The work explores the idea that there are implicit initiations and rites of passage, and a hierarchy inherent to the therian community.  And it does make a good case for that.  Much of its content could also be extrapolated to the otherkin and vampire communities, in my opinion.

This is one of several recent academic works on the subject of otherkin which I have learned of, which brings me to one final thing: does anyone have access to ProQuest articles through their university library or another organization of which they are part?  There's one academic work in particular I'm looking to get, but as I'm not a member of any subscribing organization it would run me $38 for the pdf and I'd rather avoid that if possible.

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Content warnings: The links have some graphic descriptions of mental illnesses and delusions.

March 2014. Jan Dirk Blom published an article in the academic journal History of Psychiatry. Blom's article "When doctors cry wolf: a systematic review of the literature on clinical lycanthropy" looks at 56 cases of clinical lycanthropy or zoanthropy from 1850 to present. These are psychiatric cases in which people believed that they were animals, or were becoming other creatures. A popular source, LiveScience, offers a summary of Blom's article.


Jan Dirk Blom. "When doctors cry wolf: a systematic review of the literature on clinical lycanthropy." History of Psychiatry 25: 1 (March 2014). http://hpy.sagepub.com/content/25/1/87.short doi: 10.1177/0957154X13512192

Bahar Gholipour. "Real-Life Werewolves: Psychiatry Re-Examines Rare Delusion." April 16, 2014. LiveScience (online magazine). http://www.livescience.com/44875-werewolves-in-psychiatry.html
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Content warnings: None.

April. An article published in New Media & Society briefly mentions otherkin. The article is primarily about social networking sites such as Tumblr and Reddit, particularly the asexual community. Renninger quotes from a thread on Reddit that mocks otherkin. I don't have access to the full text of the article, so I don't know if it says any more about otherkin.


Bryce J. Renninger. "“Where I can be myself … where I can speak my mind” : Networked counterpublics in a polymedia environment." New Media & Society (April 2014). http://nms.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/04/09/1461444814530095.abstract doi: 10.1177/1461444814530095
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Content warnings: None.

May. The academic journal Identity: An International Journal of Theory and Research published An Interpretative Phenomenological Analysis of Identity in the Therian Community. This article by Timothy Grivell et al is based on interviews with five therians.
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The journal Culture and Religion had a special issue on the topic of invented religions and religion-like groups, with articles on topics such as religions based on fiction, fandom, and so on. This includes an article by Danielle Kirby containing several paragraphs about otherkin, in context with some other groups that combine fiction with spirituality.


Steven J. Sutcliffea and Carole M. Cusackb. "Introduction: Making it (all?) up – 'invented religions' and the study of 'religion.'" Culture and Religion Vol 14: 4 (2013), pp. 353-361

Danielle Lee Kirby, "Between Synchromysticism and Paganism: Tracing some metaphysical uses of popular fictions." Culture and Religion Vol 14: 4 (2013), pp. 396-410
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Content warnings: None, although it's annoying.

An article published in The Montag journal mistakenly says otherkin originated in Tumblr. Sterling Hall also argues that otherkin are based in "appropriat[ing] the struggles of transgendered [sic] people" (p. 85-88). Hall's claim appears to be based on the Gawker article that drew some of the same connections, but Hall doesn't cite it.

Hall offers no support for the claim that otherkin started on Tumblr. The otherkin community, by the strictest definition (such as the adoption of the term "otherkin"), originated in the year 1990. In the loosest definition, the community started in the 1970s. The otherkin community has always been significantly made up of people who are transgender. For more information, please see the history book that I wrote about the otherkin community.


Sterling Hall, "Beyond critique: An essay on the need for a new discourse." The Montag vol 1 or 2 (March or April 2013). http://www.unr.edu/cla/ch/docs/The-Montag-Volume2.pdf

(Some parts of the volume say that it's Vol 1 from March, while other parts say it's Vol 2 from April. I'm not certain whether The Montag is technically an academic journal. It says that it is, but it doesn't look right.)
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Content warnings: None.

October: Markus Altena Davidsen published the article "Fiction-based religion: Conceptualising a new category against history-based religion and fandom" in Culture and Religion: An Interdisciplinary Journal. Apparently Davidsen mentions otherkin. Davidsen wrote, "Additional examples include the Otherkin who believe themselves to be 'other-than-humans'; for instance, Elves, Dragons or Angels," and cited Danielle Kirby's articles about otherkin. I don't know if this is the only passing mention of otherkin in the article, or if Davidsen talks about them more, because I don't have access to the full article.


Markus Altena Davidsen, "Fiction-based religion: Conceptualising a new category against history-based religion and fandom." Culture and Religion (academic journal). http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14755610.2013.838798#.UmArCdKsjAk
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Content warnings: None.

September: In the academic Journal of Religion, Media, and Digital Culture, David Robertson reviewed Danielle Kirby's writings about the otherkin community in Fantasy and Belief: Alternative Religions, Popular Narratives and Digital Cultures, a book published this year.

Robertson's review also functions as a concise introduction to otherkin and some of the overlapping groups described by Kirby. See that Robertson opens the review by giving a definition of otherkin:

The Otherkin are an online community of individuals who identify as ontologically non-human; while occupying a human body, their 'true selves' (one might read 'souls') are other. The majority of Otherkin identify as animals, beings recognisable from folklore and mythology (dragons, elves, vampires) or characters and races from popular fiction (literature, television, computer games and particularly Japanese manga and anime). [...] Of course, there is no strict delineation to be drawn between fictional and religious or mythological narratives; while dragons, fairies and angels all derive from the mythologies of specific historical cultures, their contemporary constructions derive as much, if not more, from recent portrayals in popular fiction.

I think this is a fairly satisfactory definition of otherkin. Later in the review, Robertson tells of some groups that Kirby considers sub-groups of otherkin (otaku-kin and Elenari elves) and some overlapping groups (multiples and soulbonds). Notably, I see no mention of animal people such as therianthropes or furries.

Regarding Kirby's book itself, Robertson said,

"Despite her admonition that [Kirby's] aim was not to provide 'an exhaustive exploration of the Otherkin community' but rather to explore 'the dual influences of speculative (primarily fantasy) fiction and communication technology in the creation of alternative metaphysical systems', the book is nevertheless just that, with chapters devoted to how the Otherkin relate to these themes. Too much of the book is little more than a catalogue of related but not particularly relevant concepts and communities ..."

Robertson voiced disappointment about some insufficiently relevant material in the book, particularly a chapter that gave histories of mythological creatures, which did not contribute much to understanding otherkin or questioning religiosity.

I noticed that Robertson made a few errors in the review. Robertson misspells "Elenari Elves" as "Elanari Elves." Robertson also perpetuates the common misconception of conflating schizophrenia with Disassociative Identity Disorder.


David Robertson, "Review." Journal of Religion, Media, and Digital Culture 2: 2 (Sept 2013).
(That's the full article, in HTML.)
(That's a direct link to the full article, in PDF.)
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Content warnings: None.

A historical anthropologist named Willem de Blécourt published an academic article on common problems in studying werewolves. In "Monstrous Theories: Werewolves and the Abuse of History," he points out that researchers tend to misrepresent this subject because they focus on werewolves only within one field: historical witch-trials, folklore, or fiction.
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Content warnings: None.

Last August: A new study published in Current Biology examined captive wolves to learn more about what they mean when they howl. Howling communicates information about social status rather than stress. It helps pack leaders stay in touch with their members when separated. Howling is at least somewhat voluntary. See the BBC summary, or the article itself.


Melissa Hogenboom, "Howling wolves gives clue to top dog." 2013-08-22. BBC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23767354

Francesco Mazzini, Simon W. Townsend, Zsófia Virányi, and Friederike Range. "Wolf Howling Is Mediated by Relationship Quality Rather Than Underlying Emotional Stress." Current Biology 2013-08-22. doi:10.1016/j.cub.2013.06.066 http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(13)00823-3?script=true
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Content warnings: None.

August: An article about otherkin that was recently published in Nova Religio, Joseph Laycock's "'We Are Spirits of Another Sort': Ontological Rebellion and Religious Dimensions of the Otherkin Community," is now available for download as a PDF.

(Thanks to Merticus for this information.)
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Content warnings: The linked article is about mental illness and witch trials.

Journal cover.
This September's issue of the academic journal called the History of Psychiatry has an article about medical responses to the condition of believing that one is a werewolf (lycanthropy). In "Battling demons with medical authority: werewolves, physicians and rationalization," Metzger "attempts to construct a conceptual history of werewolf beliefs and their respective medical responses." Metzger focuses on early physicians' categorization of lycanthropy as a melancholic disease, in contrast with demonologists' beliefs about werewolves as recorded in werewolf trials.

Presumably, Metzger's article also touches on modern psychological definitions of clinical lycanthropy. (Unfortunately, I don't have access to academic databases at the moment, and therefore I lack the full text of the article. I'm working on that problem. In the meantime, would any scholars please help me out by summarizing more of the full text?)

- O. Scribner


Nadine Metzger, "Battling demons with medical authority: werewolves, physicians and rationalization." History of Psychiatry 24, no. 3 (2013), 341-355. doi: 10.1177/0957154X13482835 http://hpy.sagepub.com/content/24/3/341
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Trigger warnings: For this article: Publicity. Comparison between transgender and otherkin identities. For the linked article: sexual assault, and many politically inflammatory topics.

2013: An academic journal article briefly mentioned otherkin. It didn’t do new research on them. They weren't the focus of the article.

In the Journal of the Media, Communication and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA-PGN), Networking Knowledge, Lenore Bell published an article titled “Trigger Warnings: Sex, Lies and Social Justice Utopia on Tumblr.” (Here’s the abstract, which includes a link to the full text PDF. No login needed.) The focus of the article isn’t on otherkin, but on participants of Tumblr who are involved in social justice activism.

Bell includes a few paragraphs about otherkin, using them as an example of some of the unusual kinds of identifications of participants of Tumblr. For this, Bell quotes from a personal blogger's opinion on Tumblr regarding otherkin, and from the 2012 Gawker article about otherkin. Both of these compare otherkin and transgender identity.


Lenore Bell, “Trigger warnings: Sex, lies and social justice utopia on Tumblr.” Networking Knowledge 6, no. 1 (2013). http://ojs.meccsa.org.uk/index.php/netknow/article/view/296
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Trigger warnings: For this article, none.

Book cover.
2013: Jay Johnston, senior lecturer of the Department of Studies in Religion at the University of Sydney, published a chapter about otherkin in a book. The book, Animal Death, is an academic non-fiction book about animal rights and the relations between humans and animals. The chapter is titled "On having a furry soul: Transpecies identity and ontological indeterminacy in Otherkin subcultures."

Johnston cites one source on otherkin for this chapter. It's Lupa’s book from 2007, A Field Guide to Otherkin. (Note that as of last April, Lupa no longer identifies as a therianthrope, and took the Field Guide out of print to get away from the subject.) Johnston focuses on people who identify as animals (therianthropes) (Johnston, p. 295). Because Johnston’s source is the Field Guide, Johnston repeats Lupa's system of categorizing therianthropes as a type of otherkin. (Judging by my research, this categorization is technically correct or at least satisfactory in some uses, but otherwise socially and historically incorrect.)

Johnston "questions the usefulness of distinguishing between 'animal' and 'human' for individuals who understand themselves as simultaneously both" (Johnston, p. xix). Johnston examines excerpts from the Field Guide regarding therianthropy in context with ideas from the philosopher Derrida.

Portions of Johnston’s article are visible via Google Books.


Jay Johnston, "On having a furry soul: Transpecies identity and ontological indeterminacy in Otherkin subcultures." In Jay Johnston and Fiona Probyn-Rapsey, eds., Animal Death (Sydney: Sydney University Press), p. 293-306.

Lupa, "Letting go of therianthropy for good." 2013-04-02. Therioshamanism. http://therioshamanism.com/2013/04/02/letting-go-of-therianthropy-for-good/
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New academic paper pertaining to therianthropy...

The Beast Within: Anthrozoomorphic Identity and Alternative Spirituality in the Online Therianthropy Movement
By Venetia Laura Delano Robertson

Nova Religio - The Journal of Alternative and Emergent Religions
February 2013, Vol. 16, No. 3, Pages 7-30
DOI: 10.1525/nr.2013.16.3.7


See Also:


We Are Spirits of Another Sort: Ontological Rebellion and Religious Dimensions of the Otherkin Community
By Joseph P. Laycock, PhD

Nova Religio - The Journal of Alternative and Emergent Religions
February 2012, Vol. 15, No. 3, Pages 65-90


Real Vampires as an Identity Group: Analyzing Causes and Effects of an Introspective Survey by the Vampire Community
By Joseph Laycock, PhD, Author of 'Vampires Today: The Truth About Modern Vampirism'

Nova Religio - The Journal of Alternative and Emergent Religions
August 2010, Vol. 14, No. 1, Pages 4–23
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Trigger warnings: news coverage, phantom limbs, amputation, occult (magic, divination)

Summary: Since last March, I took a vacation from researching for Otherkin News. From time to time, I did bookmark some things that I wanted to write articles about. In short, lately we’ve had: ongoing as well as published academic research of otherkin, wearable cat ears that use brainwave sensors to express your mood, over a dozen new and republished books by the Silver Elves, and a scientific study of a person who had phantom limbs corresponding to body parts that she’d never had.



In science


Phantom limbs: She felt fingers that she’d never had

A study published last February in Neurocase described a woman (“R.N.,” age 57) who had been born with an incomplete right hand. After amputation of this hand at age 18 due to an accident, she developed a “phantom limb:” she felt like her hand was still there. What made this case unusual was that her phantom hand included phantom fingers that she’d never physically had. Her phantom hand was complete with all its fingers.

Initially, her phantom hand felt shortened and painful, but after mirror therapy (a common treatment for phantom limb pain), her phantom hand took on completely normal proportions.[1]

Although this study is not about otherkin or therianthropes, it is of interest to our community. Some otherkin and therianthropes experience phantom sensations of body parts that they’ve never physically had, including tails.

See also: an earlier article on Otherkin News, regarding a study published in the Annals of Neurology about a woman, 64, who developed a supernumerary phantom limb: a third arm.[2]


Community research: Survey of furries, therianthropes, and otherkin

The International Anthropomorphic Research Project conducted their Winter 2012 survey of furries, with questions that included otherkin and therianthrope issues, determining the overlap of the three communities. The survey took place online as well as in person at Anthrocon 2012, a furry convention. The survey opened in 2012-03,[3]  and is now closed to further submissions, saying, “A summary of the collected data will be available on this website shortly.”[4]


Innovations in technology: the Necomimi

Neurowear, a company specializing in high-tech fashion, recently released the Necomimi. As described in a previous Otherkin News article,[5] the Necomimi is a headband that includes brainwave sensors and a pair of animatronic cat ears. The sensors detect the wearer’s emotional state, and expresses it by moving the cat ears. 

Neurowear released the Necomimi in Japan on 2012-04-28.[6] Neurowear’s official store says that the Necomimi is $99.95 US, but is currently sold out due to overwhelming demand, but they’re taking backorders.[7] Neurowear says they’re planning on releasing new models of the Necomimi with different ear shapes.

Some people have independently created animatronic ears inspired by the Necomimi. On Instructables, a community site where inventors and makers share their ideas, Abetusk tells how to build animatronic cat ears, although these are controlled by a remote, not by EEG.[8]

So far as I know, these inventions were not produced by any participant of the otherkin or therianthrope communities. However, they maybe be of interest to these communities as an example of a way that new technologies can augment the human body.



New published works


New and republished books by the Silver Elves

The Silver Elves, a family of elf people who have been writing about elven issues since the 1970s, and who consider themselves to be part of the otherkin community, have published and republished several books of their writings. During the past few months alone, they’ve released these:

  • The Magical Elven Love Letters, Volume 1 (collected essays and poems from 1979 to 2001) and Volume 2 (from the 1990s) have been republished with new covers in 2012-03. They also published Volume 3, which includes writings from the 1990s and from their move to Hawaii in 2008.
  • The Book of Elven Runes, a handbook for creating and using an original oracle (not Futhark runes) designed by the Silver Elves, was republished in 2012-05.
  • The Elven Book of Changes: A magical interpretation of the I Ching. An elven interpretation of the ancient Chinese oracle. Released 2012-03.
  • The Elven Book of Powers: Using the Tarot for magical wish fulfillment. Released 2012-05-24.
  • The Elven Book of Dreams: A magical oracle of Faerie. A dream symbol interpretation handbook. Released 2012-04.
  • The Book of Elven Magic: The philosophy and enchantments of the Seelie Elves. An elven perspective on spirituality and ceremonial magic. Released 2012-05.
  • What an Elf would do: A magical guide to the manners and etiquette of the Faerie Folk. As summarized by the authors, this is a “view of how elves see and interact with the world of the Normal folk as well as with Otherkind of all sorts. It is designed to help the elfin everywhere to move through the often mysterious cultures of mankind with confidence and ease.” Released 2012-06-02.
  • Arvyndase (Silverspeech): A short course in the magical language of the Silver Elves. A grammar of a constructed language designed by the Silver Elves. Released 2012-05.
  • Caressed by an Elfin Breeze: The poems of Zardoa Silverstar. Approximately 90 poems by Zardoa of the Silver Elves, some from over 30 years ago.
  • Eldafaryn: True tales of magic from the lives of the Silver Elves. “a series of vignettes from the lives of the Silver Elves starting in the present and going back and forth through time describing their lives, their magic, their philosophy and their unique view of the world.”
  • Magic Talks: Being a correspondence between the Silver Elves and the founders of the Elf Queen’s Daughters. Released 2012-06-02. From the summary provided by the authors: “Magic Talks is a collection of letters between the two sisters who are the founders of the Elf Queen's daughters (in 1973), Arwen and Elanor, and the Silver Elves, Zardoa and Silver Flame. This is the first book in a series of Tulku internet correspondence beginning in November of 2011 and ending in February 2012. Arwen and Elanor are also the original publishers of the ‘Magic Elf Letters’ sent out from the Elf Queen’s daughters. They published three letters a week for about three years. In the early 1979 the Silver Elves carried on these letters calling them “The Magical Elven Love Letters” and continued writing and publishing them for the next 30 years…”

 These books by the Silver Elves are important contributions to the history and literature of the otherkin community.

Academic article: Laycock’s “We are spirits of another sort”

A new academic paper all about the otherkin community (and therianthropes as well, under the same word) was published in Nova Religio, a peer-reviewed journal about alternative and new religious movements. The article, “We are spirits of another sort: Ontological rebellion and religious dimensions of the otherkin community,” is by Joseph P. Laycock, Ph.D. 

A regular in the vampire community, Merticus, briefly summarized Laycock’s article.[9] Merticus says the article cites the writings of several participants of the otherkin community.

A regular in the therianthrope community, Citrakāyaḥ (a cheetah) read Laycock’s full article, and then thoroughly covered his responses in “A laycat’s review of ‘We are spirits of another sort.’” He says that Laycock emphasizes that the otherkin movement is not a religion, although it is often spiritual, and in some ways resembles a religion.[10]


Media exposure of therianthropes

During 2012-02, the furry news blog, Flayrah, listed several newspaper articles that mentioned therianthropes in addition to furries.[11]


New blogs

Birds of a Feather: by and for bird-people, created 2012-02.[12] This blog is full of essays about being therianthropes and otherkin who identify as birds. Authors include Acies (an eagle), Akhila (raven, leopard), GreyGhost (gryphon), Meirya (hawk, phoenix), and Tsu (swan). The blog accepts essays submitted by others.

I’ve seen a lot more otherkin-related blogs created recently, especially those hosted on Tumblr.com, but I’ll have to address them in another post.



Due to my hiatus from the otherkin community during the past several months, I’m behind on my reading, and I’ve missed out on a lot. The above list is likely very incomplete. I’m going to need a lot of help filling in all the gaps.

If you or somebody who you know recently created new writing, art, or other creative works about otherkin or therianthropes, then please let me know, so that I can list them here next time. Please feel free to e-mail me about any such new discoveries at any time. That would be very helpful! Thank you!

- O. Scribner

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